Okay folks, here's the skinny: I'm getting ready to move up to a new (or at least new-er) ride, and for a number of reasons I've begun to seriously consider a GS. Currently I ride a '94 Yahmaha Seca II, which is a great little street bike, but somewhat underpowered and under-torquey. It's also beginning to show it's age, and I'd rather not spend the next couple of years fiddling with some or other new little (or not-so-little) repair on it.
Granted, moving up to a Beemer is a pretty big leap, especially financially, so I'd really love to hear some informed feedback and opinions from experienced GS riders.
Here's some info about my current riding sitch:
Currently I primarily use my bike as an in-city commuter, with most trips between five to forty minutes in length. Lots of starts and stops, lane-splitting, and nimble little zigs through stopped-up traffic. However I also do a reasonable amount of adventure/touring type riding, with three+ hour freeway rides taking me out to some backwoods fire road, dirt track or desert. I don't ride dirt for pleasure (though I imagine it might be fun on a bike other than my Seca) it's simply that an increasing number of my destinations are separated from the highway by some length of unpaved road. And, in at least one case (Burning Man), the destination itself is unpaved.
About seventy percent of the time I find that I'm riding with a passenger. Only one of my girlfriends owns her own bike, and the others just ride bitch. Which, as you might gather, makes the already pokey Seca start to dog pretty bad. Also, since I'm doing more touring type riding, there's the added weight of saddlebags/panniers and all the gear I stow in them. It would seem that moving up to an 1150 would be one solution for this.
The Seca is also traditionally carburated and air cooled, which is kind of annoying since much of my riding is made up of short hops around a cold city. As a consequence, I sometimes spend more time waiting for the bike to warm up than I do riding. Okay, so I'm exaggerating, but I do often wind up leaving the choke out for the entire rides. So: I'd love to move up to a bike with fuel injection and a cooling system.
Lessee... I'm 6'3" and mostly leg, which is one of the reasons I ended up on the Seca in the first place. A lot of other mid-sized bikes (EX500, SV650, etc.) are too compact for my frame and leave me feeling way to bunched up and crampy. Possibly bearable for short city rides, but totally not doable for multi-hour touring. Along these same lines, it's worth noting that I really really like the seating position on the Seca, which is essentially a standard. I put slightly sportier handlebars on which, while nowhere near as low as clip-ons, do lean me forward a little bit more than the stock bar did. But I still have a wide range of comfortable seating positions, from a full forward tuck to an almost cruiser-like backwards lean. Usually I'm somewhere in the middle, 'natch. (If you hadn't guessed by now, I really have no interest in a full on sportbike, for a lot of reasons, required riding position not the least among them.)
I like the light weight of the Seca. This is probably one of my biggest concerns about moving up to the GS (second to the price). Any GS other than the stoopid-expensive brand-new 1200 is gonna be way heavier than what I'm used to right now. Not to mention taller and wider. Not so much a problem on the highway, but what about in-city streetfighting? I've slid my Seca through spaces that shaved the stubble from my head and then flicked it through traffic like a greased black laser. I don't wanna give that up.
I also like the length of the Seca and how well it fits my body proportions.
My Seca is black and beat to shit. I like that look, and don't give a damn about fairings, chrome, plastic dinguses or snazzy two-tone paint jobs. In fact, even if I fell into some bizzaro alterna-world where I could suddenly afford a brand spankin' new 1200GS there's an even chance that I'd hit it with flat black paint the first week I got it home. Not sure if this info is relevant to my purchase decision, but I just thought I'd put it out there. Basically, I still want to ride a rat, just a bigger, better and more reliable one than I'm on now.
Leseee... is there anything else that I forgot to mention? Well, there is the slightly depressing fact that whenever I clock someone riding a beemer, they always turn out to be a white-haired oldster. Does anyone under thirty-five ride these things?
Oh, and if anyone has any thoughts on the standard GS versus Adventure debate, toss 'em in. Thus far I'm leaning towards the standard, just because I'm not planning on riding Paris-Dakar anytime soon, I don't need (or don't think I need) dirt tires, and the larger gas tank just makes me think of more weight. If I'm wrong about any of this, please lemme know.
Thanks everyone! I really look forward to hearing your opinions. Consider this your opportunity to recruit another happy GS-rider into the fold (or warn off someone who won't be happy with one - your call).
- Slim
Granted, moving up to a Beemer is a pretty big leap, especially financially, so I'd really love to hear some informed feedback and opinions from experienced GS riders.
Here's some info about my current riding sitch:
Currently I primarily use my bike as an in-city commuter, with most trips between five to forty minutes in length. Lots of starts and stops, lane-splitting, and nimble little zigs through stopped-up traffic. However I also do a reasonable amount of adventure/touring type riding, with three+ hour freeway rides taking me out to some backwoods fire road, dirt track or desert. I don't ride dirt for pleasure (though I imagine it might be fun on a bike other than my Seca) it's simply that an increasing number of my destinations are separated from the highway by some length of unpaved road. And, in at least one case (Burning Man), the destination itself is unpaved.
About seventy percent of the time I find that I'm riding with a passenger. Only one of my girlfriends owns her own bike, and the others just ride bitch. Which, as you might gather, makes the already pokey Seca start to dog pretty bad. Also, since I'm doing more touring type riding, there's the added weight of saddlebags/panniers and all the gear I stow in them. It would seem that moving up to an 1150 would be one solution for this.
The Seca is also traditionally carburated and air cooled, which is kind of annoying since much of my riding is made up of short hops around a cold city. As a consequence, I sometimes spend more time waiting for the bike to warm up than I do riding. Okay, so I'm exaggerating, but I do often wind up leaving the choke out for the entire rides. So: I'd love to move up to a bike with fuel injection and a cooling system.
Lessee... I'm 6'3" and mostly leg, which is one of the reasons I ended up on the Seca in the first place. A lot of other mid-sized bikes (EX500, SV650, etc.) are too compact for my frame and leave me feeling way to bunched up and crampy. Possibly bearable for short city rides, but totally not doable for multi-hour touring. Along these same lines, it's worth noting that I really really like the seating position on the Seca, which is essentially a standard. I put slightly sportier handlebars on which, while nowhere near as low as clip-ons, do lean me forward a little bit more than the stock bar did. But I still have a wide range of comfortable seating positions, from a full forward tuck to an almost cruiser-like backwards lean. Usually I'm somewhere in the middle, 'natch. (If you hadn't guessed by now, I really have no interest in a full on sportbike, for a lot of reasons, required riding position not the least among them.)
I like the light weight of the Seca. This is probably one of my biggest concerns about moving up to the GS (second to the price). Any GS other than the stoopid-expensive brand-new 1200 is gonna be way heavier than what I'm used to right now. Not to mention taller and wider. Not so much a problem on the highway, but what about in-city streetfighting? I've slid my Seca through spaces that shaved the stubble from my head and then flicked it through traffic like a greased black laser. I don't wanna give that up.
I also like the length of the Seca and how well it fits my body proportions.
My Seca is black and beat to shit. I like that look, and don't give a damn about fairings, chrome, plastic dinguses or snazzy two-tone paint jobs. In fact, even if I fell into some bizzaro alterna-world where I could suddenly afford a brand spankin' new 1200GS there's an even chance that I'd hit it with flat black paint the first week I got it home. Not sure if this info is relevant to my purchase decision, but I just thought I'd put it out there. Basically, I still want to ride a rat, just a bigger, better and more reliable one than I'm on now.
Leseee... is there anything else that I forgot to mention? Well, there is the slightly depressing fact that whenever I clock someone riding a beemer, they always turn out to be a white-haired oldster. Does anyone under thirty-five ride these things?
Oh, and if anyone has any thoughts on the standard GS versus Adventure debate, toss 'em in. Thus far I'm leaning towards the standard, just because I'm not planning on riding Paris-Dakar anytime soon, I don't need (or don't think I need) dirt tires, and the larger gas tank just makes me think of more weight. If I'm wrong about any of this, please lemme know.
Thanks everyone! I really look forward to hearing your opinions. Consider this your opportunity to recruit another happy GS-rider into the fold (or warn off someone who won't be happy with one - your call).
- Slim
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Re: GS-curious
Thu, June 17, 2004 - 9:00 AMI currently ride a 95 GS and love it. Here's what I've learned...
The GS is torquey as hell, and top-end ain't too shabby either. I do wish, though, it had a 6-gear tranny because I tac out at about 140. GSs are practiacally indestructible, and they handle just about as good as their boxer brothers in the beemer line (1150rs, 1150rt, 1200c, etc.).
The GS is definitely taller, but it's pretty balanced and not too top-heavy in my opinion. If you're looking for a good all-around bike the GS is it.
One thing you mentioned though, your tight riding conditions namely, might be a problem with the GS. My bike is over 500lbs, and throwing it around in traffic can sometimes be tricky. It would definitley accomodate your height, though. Score another one for comfort...the bike is about as comfortable as you can get without being on a cruiser.
For me, I probably will not buy another GS *ONLY* because of my phobia of taking such an expensive bike off-road. I'm just too hard on dirtbikes and have some bad habits that would probably shake my GS to pieces.
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Re: GS-curious
Thu, June 17, 2004 - 9:41 AMThanks Rick! That's all great info!
One thing I've considered is keeping the Seca for some of my in-city riding, but somehow I strongly suspect that once I get on a better/newer bike I won't want to leave it at home. Ever.
FYI, everyone - I'm a fulltime rider. No cage, just my bike. Use it to get everywhere.
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Re: GS-curious
Thu, June 17, 2004 - 10:34 PMI commute daily on my 1150 GS Adventure, I've put over 30k miles on it in its first two years. Nothing lane splits better on the highway, at speed it is as nimble as a bike can be. I do not lane split in town on this bike, it is just too unwieldy at city speeds for me. I'm a big guy (about 220) with short legs (about 30) so I need to avoid any sort of situation that would be helped by planting a foot firmly on the pavement. My girlfriend has a Bajaj Chetak (www.bajajusa.com/scooters.htm) scooter that is maybe the perfect in town thing; so I borrow that for short beer and pizza runs. I don't fit on the 650 GS at all, but if the chassis fits you it is nimble as hell in town and will almost get out of its own way on the highway.
I rode my first 1150 GS two up with my (large) girlfriend from SF to Takilma OR. Two days on the trip up; one day on the trip back. She has a very strong preference for the two part GS saddle over the single part saddle on the Adventure. I liked the two piece seat better myself and may end up springing for a Mayer or Corbin saddle at some point for two up riding. -
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Re: GS-curious
Thu, February 17, 2005 - 4:24 PMI'm 5'11", 180 lbs with a 32 inseam. My 2001 F650GS fits perfectly with feet flat on the ground, and Jim's right - the thing slips through city trafic like a gazelle. Could use just a touch more torque at the bottom of 1st gear, and it feels kinda strained with a passenger. I'm forever torn on whether or not to move up to the R1150GS...
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Re: GS-curious
Sun, February 20, 2005 - 7:47 AMI hear the new R1200 GS is much lighter and torque-ier (is that even a word?). Too bad it costs so damn much... :(
For now, I'm thrilled with the performance of my F650 GS.
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Re: GS-curious
Sun, February 20, 2005 - 1:14 PMI really want to like the 1200 GS, but the styling doesn't appeal to me. Sounds silly, but there's something special about riding a bike that makes your heart skip a beat every time you look at it.
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